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Old 10-04-2008, 08:17 PM
JACKTAR_05 (STEVE) JACKTAR_05 is offline
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I haven't been active on this forum in a while due to illness. My C.W. Morgan is becoming a museum piece with much thanks to this forum. I'm currently working on masts and spars and doing research on proceedures for making the blocks and hardware associated with both. Are there any books or literature that soley cover this or, practicums on proceedure. I'm trying to make this a relatively pleasant experience. Any input or direction would be very much appreciated.

 
 
 
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Steve: George Biddlecombe "The Art of_Rigging " is a good one. Available at Amazon. Good to hear you're feeling better.

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You might try contacting Mystic Seaport.

One book to look for may be "Masting_and_Rigging_the_Clipper_Ship _and_Ocean_Carrier " by Harold Underhill. This covers merchant ships of the last half of the 19th century fairly well.

One thing to keep in mind is that as the Morgan was launched in 1841 (I believe) she was more nearly a contemporary of the packets and clippers of the 19th century than the warships of the 17th and 18th centuries.

One way this might show up is in the use of more iron fittings as by 1841 the industrual revolution was well underway. While I don't know for sure, I'd expect to see iron trusses to support the spars, perhaps iron stroped blocks, the use of shackles and eyes as well as iron pumps, windless components and deck fittings.

Another thing, most of the pictures I find of the Morgan show her with double topsail yards, (two yards between the mast top and the topmast top.) The shipways kit depicts her this way indicating their model covers a period after 1860 as this was a change that came in around 1860. It is quite likely not the way the Morgan looked when launched. This indicates a re-rig in the last half of the century and points toward more modern technologies.

I hope some of this is useful.

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Hi Steve,

In my opinion Historic Ship Models , by Wolfram zu Mondfeld, has a lot of information as far as building mast, yards, and rigging. You can get a sampling of it here; http://www.all-model.com/wolfram/content.html  Another good book for rigging is Rigging Period Ship Models , by Lee Petersson. It is an illistrated guide to rigging.

Haven't visited the forum for awhile, so it's nice to know another C.W. Morgan being built.

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Strve,
You're just a stones throw from Mystic Seaport, You could go over there and see the real ship. While there you could probably get some books on the ship and talk to the hands for information/
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Thank you all for your responses. Beinf a vet. of building the full sized wooden ships & repairing the same, I find that the tecniques for buildingmodel ships present different challenges. This ship I'm building is my first model and has special interest fo me and my family. My great-granddad was second mate on the C.W. Morgan. I've been all over the ship many times and been very anal about building her. I'ts been 3 1/2 years so far. So, technique for making hardware is new to me. Thanks to one and all.

 
 
 
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Steve

I'm sure we're all curious about your project. I encorage you to take a moment to post a few images of your work. I also hope you've sought out the very fine project Dragon65 has underway. It's really a remarkable model.

For the last years I've been having fun forging brass hardware and replacement blocks for my Latham and would be all too happy to discuss my techniques and problems as well as point out the work of a few others who's work is considerably more more advanced than mine. I've been working on all the iron bands, eyes, shackles, hooks and turnbuckles found in turn of the century (1800-1900) craft like the Latham. The Morgan is clearly older but was apparently re-rigged late in the 19th century and therefore most likely has some similar hardware.

Please keep us posted as your reasearch advances and share your questions, your discoveries and your achievements. This is where the real fun is.

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Steve, I have a book published by the Mystic Seaport in 1973 on the Charles W. Morgan and written by John Leavitt. If you have any questions about the ship itself I would be glad to look it up. The book covers the history of the ship when it was a working whaler and has a lot of details in it as well as some photos and some very nice drawings by Leavitt.

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Dear Richard. I Too have the afore mentioned book as well. In my library I've aquired many books on whaling and the 400 plus ships that were active from my home port of New Bedford, MA. I learned initially how to construct the big wooden ships here and also been very involved with the yacht andpower boats that frequent here. In my house are very mant whaling antiques. Some frome my family. The interior of my home is tricked out in whaling ephemera. Techniques are my quest. They are expedient and less costly. I appreciate your efforts to help me. Much Thanks! STEVE

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Unfortunately, In this age of the "MacDonalds factor" I don't own a digital camera. Mostly because of the degree of resolution( or Lack).
I use 35 mil cameras. Soome day I'll buy a digital camera with high resolution and show real pictures of my build. The good ones are coming down in price . I've had to do a ton of research in order to get this far. (examining the plans with the Kit, Channings plans, old photos,Books and of course the actuall ship). My resources are very broad. Technique is what I'm really after for making hardware. Most books don't cover this well in my experience.

 
 
 
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