Good day,

Although the traffic on the long-standing "Phantom 1868" thread has died down lately, I am sure that there are still some folks working on this entry-level kit from Model Shipways. After talking to Ben on another forum, I thought it might be a good idea to try resurrecting some discussion and progress shots from those of us who are working on this model.

If folks think it would be more appropriate to continue in the old thread, I'm good with that too...just advise and I'll delete this one.

Cheers,
Chris

 

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I have an initial question regarding the carving of the hull...I've shortened the hull blank by the requisite 1/2" or so to get the keel profile templates to line up. I've also sanded the hull bottom enough to get good registration of the 1/8" keel. Now that I'm starting on the individual station profiles, I noticed that the "height" of the hull is also significantly oversized...after some measuring and comparing to the plan, I think I should be sanding down the tops of the bulwarks rather than hogging off a lot more material from the bottom of the hull. It seems like that would throw off the profiles even more than they already are.

In the attached picture, I've marked at the bottom of the hull where I would need to sand down to in order for the profile templates to fit over the gunwales. That seems way too much material to have to remove...so am I on the right track if I take the material off the top of the bulwarks instead?

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Chris,
You are right in principle...most of the material can come off the bulwarks. But you will need to be careful, especially at the stern of the ship, that there will still be enough material underneath to match the template. I didn't wind up having a problem with it, but it made me nervous. I think that if you get the profile correct with the profile template, that may prevent it happening, but it still made me nervous.
It's kind of hard to explain with words, so I drew up a picture...
 
 
In diagram 1, we see that the hull is slightly taller than the template. The red line represents what we would carve off if we only took off from the top. the green line shows what we would remove if we only took from the bottom of the hull. Diagram 2 shows that if we removed only from the top, there would not be enough material underneath to match the template. Diagram 3 shows that if material is only removed from the bottom of the hull, there would be enough material.
That's not to say that this IS the case, but it was a fear of mine when I was carving, and so I was extra careful. I'd recommend starting at the stern portion of the ship when figuring out how much needs to come off the top and bottom.
I hope I haven't been thoroughly confusing.

 

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Thanks Ben, that's very clear. The diagram helped a lot. I'll let you know how it goes...

 

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Feeling the time crunch last night, I spent a few hours devoted to finishing up the deck fittings. All done with that, it's time to move on to the bowsprit. (edit: jHEY! that means I can update my profile! Feels like I've been on "Deck Houses" forever). Have to go out tonight and get some stain. Only about 6 weeks left.

How's the hull shaping coming along, Chris?

 

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Slowly but surely, thanks. The port side is almost there. Like many others, I'm surprised at how much reshaping is required at the stern,and how little at the bow. Since this whole build is a learning experience, I am experimenting with a lot of different Dremel tool attachments, hobby knife blades, sanding block shapes, etc. to see what works best for different parts of the hull. And I'm sure that I'm being overly tentative and paranoid about taking too much off, despite that tube of wood filler calling out, "don't worry!"

Cheers,
Chris

 

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Hi all - and Ben. Thanks for turning me on to this forum.

I finished my Phantom on 8-25 and had a great time doing it, even with some obstacles. It is resting comfortably on the mantle.

I just can't figure out what to build next; HSM Bounty Launch, Rattlesnake or jump right into the Constitution...

 

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One thing I noticed about the hull templates...I've just filed this under "don't worry about it" but I am curious...

On templates 1 through 4, the "C" centreline marker at the bottom (keel) side of the template is immediately next to the end of the curved part. On templates 5 through 9, there is about a 1/16" flat area between the end of the hull curve, and the "C" marker. Given the 1/8" keel, shouldn't all of the templates have the "C" offset a bit to accomodate the keel? The templates make it appear as though the hull goes down into a sharp point from station 4 forward, rather than having a stem and keel?

BTW, by "don't worry about it" I mean that I am aligning the "C" marker with the side of the keel (Chuck's blue lines) at stations 1 through 4, and with the centreline (Chuck's red line) for stations 5 through 9 as this seems to make the most sense.

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Welcome Roger,
Glad to have you here. I'm sure you'll find more wooden ship modeling information here than over at finescale. By the way, in your email you mentioned sending in your photos and packing slip to get your rebate...how did you send them in? By mail? or will they accept them by email?

Chris,
You're right. I found that the "C"s were marked in the wrong place too. I just re-marked them in the correct location by comparing the template against the sections plan. That way, the C was the centerline on all templates.

 

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