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Really???

Was the hammock netting removed prior to battle, so that the boarding nets could be installed? Otherwise, wouldn't they interfer with each other?

Wish the site would show the post I am responding to when I am writing the reply to it...anyway talk to you tomorrow night (Fri.).

Mike

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Mike: Hammock netting was used daily to air out the hammocks, and permanent. I haven't seen pictures of the boarding nets installed, but I would guess they would go outboard of the hammock cranes.

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James:

Sorry I didn't get back to you the other day...got my digital micrometer via the snail mail and went crazy...ladders, grating, etc. It's been fun actually doing productive (if repetitous) work...and not having to do it over again.

But now that I got the "little" stuff done, I went back to planking...my FAVORITE nemisis. Darn planks are starting to clink again. Just remind me...no lateral bending...right? My darn planking table is telling me that I have two (2) tapers at each end of each plank!!! It's getting so frustrating to never get more than 5, 6,or 7 planks down from the quarterdeck/foc'sle and then rip them off and start over again.

ARGGH. Taking (sigh) another break.

Mike

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Mike:
You shouldn't have to make lateral bends, against the grain. As to tapers; most modelers taper on one side only (usually the top). When working from top to bottom, this allows for a straight edge for your next plank.

If you are going to double plank, I would suggest that you plank the first layer "as best you can" and not go back and keep taking planks off, but fill the cracks in with some type of filler (I use a light weight spackle)

"Boys and their toys" enjoy your micrometer!

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James:

I finally got some photos uploaded! Whoopee!!!

I haven't done anything to my upper planks...yet. But I did pop the 10 planks (5/side) at the keel location yesterday, salvaging what I could. Not only were these planks not wanting to attach themsleves to the filler blocks like they looked like they would do when I dry fitted them, I was pretty sure that they were curving up too much fore and aft. I know you said I should leave them and go on...but if I can't do the first layer properly what will the second layer look like?

I took me about 6-7 hours to carefully and fully remove the remaing planking material and glue from the bulkheads. Just a very little sanding was required to ready these blukheads for the next attempt at installing the garboard strake.

Now I'm trying to muddle through using a batten for the proper garboard strake shape. I started a couple of threads regarding Battens (on bluffed nosed ships) and short garboard strakes (and how the planking width table might change)...but so far all everybody is do is looking and not responding.

Hah! By the time my confidence is high and workmanship acceptable, I'll probably have the masts rigged and ready for installation, before I get the ship properly planked and finished.

Mike

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Mike:
Go to the link provided by Alan (in your other thread) and download it. It is a very good guide to the planking process. Your planks should run full length bow to stern.

BTW: good photo's.

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James:

Went to the MSW link...can't seem to download the Planking for Newbies" article, all I can do is view it one page at a time...kind of a drag since some of the drawings are referenced from pages different than the drawings. As an aside, I'm pretty sure that article is the same one found at the Drydocks website.

Spent most of this Saturday doing the initial install of the planking band's battens...hope I did it correctly. Took a register off the forced air heating system for the house and have set the model on top of the open vent to help the drying process. Sunday I'll be fairing the battens and taking measurements.

I posted 23 pictures showing the installation of the battens under a NEW album and ordered the photographs. I am a little bit befuddled...or concerned?...about the battens "gapping out" at gunwales, both fore and aft. This appears, to my inexperienced eye, to be the only locations where the battens seem to take a weird turn or direction. Maybe its ok and just counter-intuititive.

Anyway...could you take a look at the album and read the narrative under the photos to see if I did anything wrong. I'd appreciate it. Thanks

Mike

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Hello Mike your Victory is comming along nicely.Here is where you can find the downloads for planking 1,2,3,and 4. Cheers Walter http://shipmodeling.net/vb_forum/do...-category4.html

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Walter:
Thank you for the link. Model Ship World also has a good article on planking...I'll be using both of the as I go forward.

James:
Based on one of your previous posts on this thread where you used photographs for QA/QC purposes to find out where you missed some painting, I decided to use photos to help me fair the battens rather than holding, and maybe dropping, the hul(l/k) for long periods of time. So I sent most of Sunday taking and analyzing about 100 photos (41 Mbs and 4 AAA batteries later) of the initial batten placement. Then at the end of the day I spent about an hour or two taking gap measurements beween the battens to figure out where I needed to nudge, or fair, the battens for a better and hopefully final alignment.

Alas, that is not the case. AAARRrrggghhhhhhhh...%#^%(%&*@##. Somehow my gap layout for the constant girth bulkheads kept slipping up the hull about 0.8mm to 1mm, on average, for each of the battens placed. So at the 6th and final batten, a total error of about 4.5 mm was acheived between where the batten was placed and where it should have been placed.

For the 30 planks to be installed between the keel and gunwale this is only about 0.15mm/plank. But the errror unfortunately, or perhap fortunately, totally expains the downward curve at both ends of the last batten...which I was really scratching my head about.

So I've got to go through the whole process again...somehow I got to devise a way to lock my constant girth battens in a whole heck of a lot better than I did before. And the 12 planks that I used for the first set of battens...well...they aren't quite garbage...I'll save them and use them for stealers or half length planks later...but I sure can't use them for the second set of battens. Even boiled, I wouldn't/can't trust them to lay natural like a straight unused plank would...and because they have taken a "set" from the boiling, pinning and drying I can't shift them into the proper postion and hope they can be easily and correctly faired.

This second attempt at placing the battens HAS JUST GOT TO WORK. I had 3 planking attempts before I put Victory away 8 years ago. I had 5 planks per side at the keel earlier this month which I popped off to make the effort at placing battens...now the first batten placement attempt has failed. Some of the bulkhead are coming pretty close to imitating swiss cheese and I don't know how many more holes some of these locations can take before they disinigrate. It's not totally hopeless, but its something I have to be aware of.

I'll let you know Monday or Tuesday how it went on the second attempt. Wish me luck.

Mike

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Mike,

I see the first planking as more of a practice run, I plan to do it as good as I can, but it will need filling and sanding at the end.

I used battens also but only as a guide to calculate the tapering of the planks between each batten, these battens are removed afterwards, so a few mm difference at the end of the section doesn't matter because you can compensate with the next plank. it seems to work ok.

For the second planking after sandind, you have a nice smooth surface that you can draw on to guide the second planking layer. Also the second plankink is thinner strips so easier to bend.

It's good to try for perfection, but it would be a pity if you give up again for the sake of imperfections in a layer that will never be seen.

But, that is just my view, I'm a beginner aswell.