James --

the rails look fine -- should work .

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I'm painting and adding moldings to the cutwater side pieces that fit on the hair rail , and will try to get it all placed tonight.
The moldings are so small, with such tight bends that I'm having to use broom straws for them.
The kit calls for 1mm X 1mm wood that just will not take the sharp bends without breaking.

Hey James,the headrails look very nice and even too.She sure is comming along nicely :banna: Cheers Walter

Walter:
Thank you. I have put this part off for so long (actually dreading it) that I finally had to "bite the bullet" and get it done. Turns out, it's not that complicated, just difficult to get the right bends in the right places.

Thankfully, I'm not trying to do it to scale, or even close to "exact"; More of "representative" (cop out :banna: ). I've decided to leave out many details available in the kit so I can get to the rigging. Hopefully the finished model will still look good to the "inexperienced eye".

You, and many others on the forum, have been a great help, and inspiration, to me in this "hobby of ours".

Quick edit and addition. Got the cutwater side pieces filed, sanded, and painted. Placed into hair rail to check fit. Still have yet to get rails on! :=(( Next week, for sure!!

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James --


cutwater pieces look good - come on !! get those rails done !!



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Gary:
I'm trying, but I keep running into little snags. Have to go to work for three days; Then I'll have the hair rail on by Monday night, for sure. The back rail will take me the next three days after that ! :=((

Well, I finally got the hair rails, with side boards on. They seem to be symmetrical, but my "eyeballs are crooked" (trifocal glasses) so, I'm not too sure; But it will have to do.
Will start forming back rails tomorrow, and hopefully, get them done this week.

The HO R/R tracks seem to have worked OK.

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My painting abilities still leave a lot to be desired (shaky hands) :=((

James --

the railway track worked out OK -- looks good .


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Gary:
Thank you. It's not as good as I had hoped it would be, but it will have to do. It really doesn't show up as well as I thought it would. And I should have masked them off, instead of trying to do them "freehand". Oh well, "Learn from your mistakes and move on."

How's RC coming along? And thank you for the "fish davit" photo.

James - looks good - looks right and proper !

R C is moving alone( a bit slow as I am busy working with the city on the TALL SHIPS 2009 visit to Halifax - and building a 1/1 scale 6 pounder for my deck) . Will post some pics this weekend .


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Anchor fishing davits carved out and one painted and glued in rests.
Not quite what's in the picture, but close enough for me. Carved down from 3mm X 3mm basswood square.

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One day I'll figure out how to add photo's correctly.

James--

nice job -- looks good
are you making two - one for each side of the ship ? RC only carried one .



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Gary:
Yes, two. The painted one will be on the starboard side, and the unpainted one (not done yet) will be in service on port side. The ship will be in process of "getting underway" with stay sails set, top sails in process of "unfurling" and the courses furled. Maybe mizzen stay sail set.

Port "best bower" anchor will be getting "fished".

Again; Thanks for the photo.

James ---

Did Victory carry 6 or 8 anchors ? I thought she carried 6 , but I remember reading about 8 somewhere ?



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Gary:
Longridge says "four, all the same size" those would be the "bower" anchors; but then there would be the "kedge anchors" , smaller in size(I believe 2 of those), so 6 in all.

The kit provides 2 best bowers and three kedges; pretty good, considering it's an "inexpensive" kit.

My starboard bower anchor will be stored in the chains with the cat blocks "hanging in the breeze" (as though it was just fished). The three small kedge anchors will be stored in place.

Of course, there would be anchors for the larger boats, and grapnels for the smaller boats; so I don't know have many total there would be, but 6 large for sure.

James --

The Victory carried 7 anchors of various sizes for different uses; these were:
One (1) Best Bower: This served as one of the two main anchors used for holding the ship in deep water. Being the heaviest and strongest, it was always rigged on the starboard (right hand) side of the ship because of prevailing winds found within the northern hemisphere.
Weight 4 tons. 9 cwt. 1 qtr. 14 lbs. (4.54 tonnes).

One (1) Bower: Serving the same purpose as the Best Bower, but not as strong, this anchor was always rigged on the larboard (port) side of the ship.
Weight 4 tons. 8 cwt. 2 qtrs. 22 lbs. (4.51 tonnes).

Two (2) Sheet Anchors: These served as spares for the two bower anchors. Each was rigged on one side of the ship.
Weight of each, 4 tons 4 cwt. 3 qtrs, 12 lbs. (4.31 tonnes).

One (1) Stream Anchor: This was a lightweight anchor used for anchoring the ship in low tide stream and shallow water. It could also be used for warping the ship (see below).
Weight 1 tons. 1 cwt. 3 qtrs. 7 lbs. (1.10 tonnes).

Two (2) Kedge Anchors: One large and one small, these very lightweight anchors were used to keep a ship steady and clear of her bower anchor when riding at anchor in harbour. These were also used used to 'kedge', or warp the ship:

Kedging, or warping, means to haul the ship along by bringing in the cable by use of the capstan. The kedge anchor was then again taken out in the ships launch and re-laid and the operation repeated. This was generally done in confined waters or when there was no wind.

Weights: 10 cwt (0.51 tonnes) and 5 cwt (0.30 tonnes) respectively.

ANCHORS: SIZES, TYPES & USES



Type
Number
Weight

Best bower anchor
1
4 tons/4.54 tonnes

Small bower anchor
1
4 tons/4.51 tonnes

Sheet anchors
2
4 tons/4.31 tonnes

Stream anchor
1
1 ton/ 1.10 tonnes

Large kedge anchor
1
1/2 ton/ 0.51 tonnes

Small kedge anchor
1
1/4 ton/ 0.30 tonnes




Best bower anchor:
The best bower anchor was one of Victory's two main anchors. It was called 'bower' because it was secured to the starboard (right) bow. The heaviest and strongest anchor carried by the Victory it was used for anchoring the ship in deep waters.

Small bower anchor:
The small bower anchor was also used for anchoring the Victory in deep waters, although it was not as strong as the best bower. It was also attached at the bow (front) of the ship, but on the port (left) side.




Sheet anchors:
Victory's sheet anchors were positioned behind the bower anchors on each side of the ship. They were carried as spare anchors in case the bower anchors were lost.

Stream anchor:
The stream anchor was a small lightweight anchor used for anchoring in shallow waters. Normally tied to the starboard sheet anchor, the stream anchor could also be used to warp the ship.


Large & Small kedge anchors:
Victory's smallest anchors, the kedge anchors were used when the ship was anchored in a harbour. They helped to steady the ship and keep her clear of the bower anchor cable. They could also be used to 'kedge' or warp the ship. Warping was a way of moving the ship in a confined space or if there was no wind. The kedge anchor would be rowed away from the ship by boat and then lowered. By pulling in the anchor cable the ship could be moved along. This could be repeated until there was more space or the sails caught the wind.


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Hi James and thanks for your welcome, relieved to hear there are some stalwarts out there building Victories. Not come across the constructo kit but found my kit on ebay(UK) version and got it unused for a snip. Am still finding my way around the site so apologies for delay in replying to any mail and in putting on photos and build log, life is so busy when you retire cant understand how I ever had time to work.

Would be happy to share in your project site but so far have not really found out where these things are. My build is static at present due to hols and golf and other diversions but will get started again v soon. Catch you again cheers for now Paul (still a waister)!!

Paul:
You're in the right place, "shared projects forum". I look forward to your input. Have fun with your build.

A short entry to show anchor fishing davit in place on starboard foc'sle; Future crew member in place to show how large these things were.http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/869/IMG_0643.JPG

It has to be close to a ton, at least.

James ---

One ton of the King's oak ! - looks good .
Did you get the anchor info ?



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Gary:
Yes I did, thanks. Seems Longridge was off by a few anchors; But, then, he didn't have a computer! :banna:

I didn't think about the type of wood; You think it was oak?

James --


research suggests solid oak - cut and shaped in one piece from one tree !

James --

-- Also - some were made with iron bands
located alone the length - Victory , appears to be one solid piece without iron bands , just the iron eyes for rigging .


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Gary:
The iron bands might indicate that the davit was "fished".
A "fished" fishing davit? I agree the Victory's fishing davit appears solid.

James -

there were 4 metal bands around the fish davit , equally spaced along it's length -- much like the wooden cross tree of an anchor .



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