My third ship in the queue, almost finished the hull of my second ship. So a can start with the hull of my third ship.

After building two hull's i want to proceed to the Dutch ships. My heart says a Dutch frigate of the line, but my common sense said a Dutch VOC ship. So i choose the Prins Willem wich is a VOC ship with 40 pieces.

Here a picture of the box
http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/534/60P11.JPG

This is my first Corel kit after two AL kits. The quality of the Corel kit is very high, as is the price. The kit contiains all brass decorations, they are of high quality, only a mold line is visible on all the cast parts, so this has to be removed.

The wood is better than in the AL kits, much finer grain. A thick one piece 4mm false keel is supplied, along with 4 mm bulk heads.

Here a picture of all the brass
http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/534/60P21.JPG

The plans are unbelievable accurate, they even show show the complete planking pattern and were to use stealers. Exellent rigging planks and detailed plans for contruction of all the fittings. No sails are supplied, only the flags.

Here a picture of the frame contruction woods
http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/534/60P31.JPG

There are allot of precut parts already taken out the tech sheets. The kit is supplied with nylon thread.

Needless to say that the kit's instructions are a bit sloppy. So this is not a beginners kit, because the plans are complex and u must now how to read them. Also some knowledge of how to build plank on bulkhead kit's is mandatory. For the rest the kit's contructions is straight forward common for plank on bulkhead kit's.

The price was a whopping E319. But considering the detailed plans and all brass and laser cut parts it's probaly worth its high price.

There is a full size replica of the Prins Willem build in Japan you can see the pictures in my gallery.

Have fun!

Hello,
Prins Willem beautiful model one of the biggest VOC retour ships build at the place Middelburg in 1649. The original model from the year 1649 is at the museum in Amsterdam(Rijksmuseum) also the replica build by Herman Ketting is here.
If there are any questions, I have the original drawings and the book of the Prins Willem .

Have lot of fun with the building.

Yes its a fine ship, i like the Dutch sterns with all the colours and paintings. Building the "Friesland"(80) is a little to far fetched for me, also the price of over E500 made me think twice. So i choose this ship i'm still young so i would have build this kit anyway.

Do u have the title and the ISBN number of the book, i consider ordering it. I've been twice at the museum in amsterdam, it's worth to go back and watch the specific models u mention.

It's a shame that photography is not allowed inside the museum.

Yes ISBN number :90 228 1986 8
But I'm sure the museum does NOT have the book anymore.
Try the antic bookshops for example at the Prins willem kade at Amsterdam.
Whenyou like foto's of the model in the museum try to find the archivaris from the museum or drs H. Dessens he can help you in the collection of the museum are plenty just ask for it it will help.
good luck and success
cees

I will visit the museum next summer again, and watch the model there, also to find out what colors to use for this kind of ship. The museum displays a nice naval painting collection, maybe i'll find something in the book shop.

I'd like to compare your original plans with the plans supplied with the kit. Specially for the details on the hull, i'll ask again in some months when the hull has received it's first layer of planking.

That's oke

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I love these guys.

They both are from the Netherlands, and they could easily be exchanging info back and forth in their own language, but they make the effort to come to this forum to write in a second language just so they can share it with the rest of us.

I have a lot of respect for the Dutch. My first trip to Europe was right out of high school (back in the mid-60's) through a summer home-stay program for youth. I was placed with a family in Friesland, and it was a wonderful experience.

It turned out that it was the family of the on-site caretaker of a castle, complete with a moat. It's called Popta Slot, in the small town of Marsum, west of the Friesland capital of Leeuwarden. Our home was built within the preserved shell of the old stables. My "father" was a wonderful gardener, and had the distiction of being the first to get a banana tree to bear fruit in the Netherlands. My "mother" would give tourists guided walking tours of the castle, which was still furnished with the original owners' wonderful chairs, tables, chests, etc. I cherished the lazy afternoons with my "brother", rowing a small boat around the moat or strolling through the grounds that my "father" groomed so lovingly.

I came away from that summer with a strong impression of gentle strength and open-hearted good will to friends, neighbors and strangers.

So thanks, guys, for being here.

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Thanks for the complements tomse3, but the creator and maintainer of this great web site is the person who should get the complements. Without him this wouldn't be possible.

I'm happy to hear you had a good time in the Netherlands.

C++']...............................but the creator and maintainer of this great web site is the person who should get the complements. Without him this wouldn't be possible...............................................Amen to that!

Well, construction is on it's way. The first problem i encountered is the pressed false keel supplied with the kit, this keel also acts as the final keel in contradiction to the AL kits that supply a hardwood keel that is attached after planking. Luckely i can saw new keel sections from the hardwood display base that came with this kit.

Because i have no way to saw the false keel, i have build a new one, so the hull can be constructed AL style and the hardwood keelsections can be applied after the planking is finished.

As i plan this model for real operation a cut all the bulkeads in half in order to make the hull in two parts. I had to make the cut at the waterline, so i can expect serious leakage problems which have to be solved. The first waterway just above the waterline will be detachable, this plank holds the two hull parts together and makes the hull watertight by using a rubber band at the back.

I am now planking the hull with the first layer, i first plank the waterline and test if the ship floats at all before proceeding(planking this model is a bitch). If the whole idea failes then i can always glue the two hull parts together again.

Pictures of the construction will be posted this week.

Ah, finally some progress pictures : if you can speak of progress that is, the build is rather slow.

The lower part of the hull is now planked and I tested the ship in my bath tub. The ship floats fine and its almost water tight on itself, so after finishing the second layer a water resistant finish will suffice to make the hull completly water tight.

Here's a picture of the hull, the lower first layer of planking is finished. I also reinforced the top part of the hull and added the gun port templates.
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P1.JPG

I've now started with planking the second layer on the lower part of the hull, so this part will be finished in advance of the rest. I do this so I can apply all the electronics in the lower part of the hull and test it, while finishing the rest of the ship.

Here's a picture of the two seperate parts.
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P2.jpg

I might want to cut most of the reinforcements away from the lower part of the hull to make more room for the electronics. I trunnel the hull and use party sticks to nail all the planks to the hull, I use the same process I've used when builing the "Le Hussard". I apply the wooden pegs while planking so I don't have to drill the holes afterwards. I drill 0.8mm holes so the pegs penetrate both the first and second layer of planks, using a four shift single peg pattern. Instead of pushing the pegs into the hull, I use now a hammer and get better penetration that way, also saves me from bladders on my thumb ;)

Here's a picture of the underside of the hull, notice the planking and the virtual frames I added to determine the location of the pegs.
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P3.jpg

Here's a close up on the planking and the pegs, it looks a bit messy now, but I can't clean the planks yet with all the peg heads sticking out the planking.
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P4.jpg

Next to working on the hull I started painting some of the decorations that reside at the stern of the ship. There's allot of work involved in the painting to get a good result. I used allot of washes and inkts to improve the contrast. All the figures are painted in the original color.

Here's a picture of some of the stern decorations.
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P5.jpg

Enjoy, till next time.

Btw here's a nice link to a web site containing a lot of picture of modified kits too make them functional.
http://www.minisail.nl

This is a new twist on modeling for sure. Beautiful painting work, I can't wait to see more.

Dave

Another sunday afternoon of planking. The lower hull needs 720 planks in 36 lanes fixed by 3200 nails. I don't try to think about these numbers allot, and just proceed working on the hull. The Corel kit provides in quality planking material, in three shades of walnut. Alternating between these shades, the individual planks can be highlighted.

Here's a picure of me hammering a peg into the planks
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P6.jpg

I use short planks of no more than 50mm with exception of the stealers. This enables me to work either on the bow, stern or midship seperatly. Despite of this model is a bitch to plank due to kit's blunt bow, using the short planks makes the job bearable and I can use the pegs to hold the plank into place right away.

Here a picture ow the bow and all the planking lanes.
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P7.jpg

Cause of the high stern post stealers must be used to ensure all the planking lanes follow the characteristic curve of the hull. The location of the stealers is perfectly shown on the kit's drawings. I use the "fair a plank" jig for making these stealers.

here a picture of the stealers located at the stern of the model
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P8.jpg

As you can see on the picture, all the planks are heavily marked with a big fat charcoal pencil. This will leave a thin black line between the adjacant planks after sanding and cleaning the hull.

I already planked the lower stern to see what the final effect of the marking will look like.

Here a picture of the lower stern, ofcourse the planking needs to be treated though
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P9.jpg

As you can see on the pictures, I still have to fix the keel. I fix the keel after the planking so I don't have to worry about a rabit. The keel has to be scratch build to replace the original pressed wood keel, which is really ugly in my opinion.

Till next time, have fun;)

Hmm, today I rather dropped the model on the floor cause of some weird spastic move, dropped quite hard really. Some damage was done on the super frame, and parts of it disappeared (probaly in the vacuum cleaner, sight), but nothing that can be fixed though.

Well after some repairing, I continued planking the lanes (won't bother with pictures, it's too boring), I try to fix at least 15 planks on a workday and about 60 in the weekends. I hope the lower hull will be finished within 2 months. OMG.

OOPS!
Happens to us all at some point.

John

Ah, some more progress photo's. I'm still bussy with planking the lower part of the hull. Man what a job!, it's sometimes hard for me to resume with working on the model, which looks like a lump of wood a total mess and only remotely represents the ship i want to build, after a day of hard work.

Here is a photo of the lower part of the hull
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P10.jpg

Planking takes awful long, and needs about four times the le Hussard's planking time. The lower hull requires 32 lanes of 3mm planking on each side, and that's only half of the job.

Here you can see the planking lanes as they approach the bow section
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P11.jpg

Because the run of the planks is one of this model features to show the strong curved hull, i made sure all the planking run from stern to the bow. Using short planks lengths helped to achieve this but it takes more time to complete the planking phase.

This photo shows the planking lanes as they approach the stern
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P12.jpg

I also stopped drilling all the trunnel holes by hand, after snapping the third $6 dollar drill I brought myself a flexible shaft for my Dremel tool and it will hopefully pay itself back by saving my drills from snapping.

On this photo you see the current status of the build
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P13.jpg

Sanding the hull by hand will be hell, so I will get me one of that mouse sanders that will hopefully save me allot of time to get the peg heads flush to the planking.
When the hull is sanded the pegs will not be that visible anymore. The inside of the hull looks like a battlefield with all the point of the pegs sticking trough the first layer of planks, so i need to do something about that too and probably place a deck after cutting away the heavy reinforcements.

Here you can see the model from it sides
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P14.jpg

All and all not too impressive I know, but I’m not in a hurry. Until next time, enjoy.

Hmm...het is me het projectje wel die Prins Willem! :yes:

Ik hoop dat je niet teveel kwijt bent geraakt in de stofzuiger! :(

Zo te zien is het wel een indrukwekkend stukje vakmansschap wat je toont. Ik kijk af en toe in de etalage van een modelbouwzaak in Rotterdam, daar staat namelijk een volledig gebouwde Prins Willem en dat is een indrukwekkend schip! :realcool:

Succes!!! :wink:

bedankt voor je compliment, we zullen zien, ik zal er nog wel een tijdje mee bezig zijn. ;)
Ik zal eens in rotterdam kijken naar die model bouw winkel.

Ik heb em even voor je opgezocht, v.Nieuwenhuijzen Modelbouw - Oude Binnenweg 91

http://www.bouwmodel.com/

nice job there

Ha, some more progress photo's. The bottom of the hull is fully planked now. This concludes the most difficult part of the build for me.

Anyway, here are the pictures:

Top view
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P15.jpg

Side view
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P16.jpg

Front view
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P17.jpg

All finished
http://members.chello.nl/n.franke/PrinsWillim/P18.jpg

Until next time, enjoy ;)

See also the link http://www001.upp.so-net.ne.jp/a-sasano/english/e-willem.htm for nice pictures of a Prins Willem being build. :coffee:

thanks for the link, i can use some of the info there.