Just curious, can anybody share drawing for Wasa model ship from Mantua MA737 kit or Corel SM13.
Basically, I’m looking for rigging plans and schema (sails, standing, running) for Wasa model ship.

Did anybody have billing boats kit? To be specific - Wasa kit #490.
Any suggestions or recommendations will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Joseph

Hi, likhten.
I don't have any, but try this site in the UK:
http://www.model-dockyard.com/plans/corel.asp, #3 down on the list.
They have Wasa plans by Corel for about $43 US dollars. You could try emailing them and see what the plans contain.

I live in Stockholm and is going to the Vasa museum. They have some new reports on the rigging style on the Vasa. They have some people doing research on this. They have made a report on this. I am going there next week.

I live in Stockholm and is going to the Vasa museum. They have some new reports on the rigging style on the Vasa. They have some people doing research on this. They have made a report on this. I am going there next week.


Hi robbox, welcome,

Could you take pictures and post them in the gallery? There is some argument as to the color of the bulwarks, blue or red.

thanks,
Dave

Hi robbox, welcome,

Could you take pictures and post them in the gallery? There is some argument as to the color of the bulwarks, blue or red.

thanks,
Dave

This is not an easy queston to answer. There seems to be a debate about this. There seems to be red in the aft bulwark, but are there also blue, i dont know. There is a paper on it from one of the researchers working in the Vasa Musuem. I am going try to get this paper, or rather the book. All about the colors on the Vasa. If you want a taste about the new research done on the Vasa look this webb page:
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-70853/Wasa3.htm

To sum it up. Difficult to anser without some of the expert documentation.
But one thing i can tell you. ALL the models have the wrong colors.

Why did the ships have diffrent colors on the bulwark? To diffrent each ship when the smoke from the canons. Sweden have a regulation on how the bulwark should be painted.

Hi robbox, welcome,

Could you take pictures and post them in the gallery? There is some argument as to the color of the bulwarks, blue or red.

thanks,
Dave

Sorry, i gave you the Swedish pages. The English pages have this link:
http://home.swipnet.se/~w-70853/WASAe.htm

It is a good site. But it will not answer your question. But red are the color on some parts of bulwark, but how the aft decoration is painted is another question. But look at the sculptures, and Vasa will be nightmare to paint. If you have Vasa in scale 1/65, and need to paint 700 sculptures :-)

This is one reason i am painting my IGRA Vasa how the creator though the Vasa looked like, and not how it should be painted.....

Thanks robbox, I look forward to seeing your pictures of your model and the real ship.
Dave

Thanks robbox, I look forward to seeing your pictures of your model and the real ship.
Dave
Here is the recomendation on how to paint the Vasa from the Vasa Museum:

The color scheme of Vasa
Recent research conducted by Peter Tångeberg, who has sampled extensively the paint remains on the hull and sculptures, presents a very different picture of Vasa's color scheme than appears in most model kit instructions. This sheet is provided so that modelers who wish to paint their wooden or plastic kits more accurately can do so.
Hull: Below the planksheer (the uppermost wale, above the upper row of gunports), the sides and bottom were tarred, which would give a medium brown appearance with a reddish cast when new, but would have darkened to more of a burnt umber shade if the ship had been in service for very long. There is no sign of a separate layer of bottom paint or anti-fouling, and there is no waterline marked on the hull. Above the planksheer, the clinker bulwark planking was painted a deep red. This same red was used on the sides of the beakhead and the planking of the upper transom and gallery roofs, as well as the bulkheads at the breaks in the deck. Interior of the bulwarks seems not to have been painted but may have been tarred.

Decks: The weather decks were primarily untreated pine, which would be a yellow-brown color when new, tending to become grayer in service. The waterways and kingplanks were oak, which would be slightly different in color to the pine and would weather to a darker Grey.

Gunport lids: Tarred exterior, interior painted red with ochre lion masks with white teeth and red mouths.

Sculptures: These will present the greatest challenge, as they were painted in naturalistic colors. Skin was pink (female figures have paler skin), hair was usually gilded (on larger figures) or painted yellow, armor was painted a purplish-brown, and cloth was painted in a wide variety of colors, with earth tones (reds, browns, yellows) more common than blues and greens. Foliage was painted green. Gilding was applied to decorative accents on armor or sword hilts, as well as to royal arms on the stern. Not all of the 700+ sculptures have been analyzed, but the general tendency seems clear.

Thanks robbox, I look forward to seeing your pictures of your model and the real ship.
Dave
I have paid the Vasa museum a visit. I took over 600 pictures, and are fixing them at the momemt. There are some nice sculptures added to the Vasa which looks nice.

Hi robbox, welcome,

Could you take pictures and post them in the gallery? There is some argument as to the color of the bulwarks, blue or red.

thanks,
Dave

I have added three new albums. One more too go.
First album is some pictures of the painted sculptues and what colors where used. Second album is the scale model of Vasa in 1/10 size. Large! THe third album is the diarama of when Wasa is sinking. Here you can se the red coloring.

The last album will be posted this weekend. I have about 50 pictures of the Wasa, and all details. Quite difficult to take these pictures, because Wasa is in half darkness and the light have a funny red tone to it. So red is more orange than it should.

Thanks robbox, I look forward to seeing your pictures of your model and the real ship.
Dave
Did you like the pictures. I hope you did have any use from them. If you find anything missing please let me know.

Roberth

Yes! They were great pictures! Thank you for your effort. I really felt pulled back through time plus the carving work was really impressive. This would be a daunting task to model if you wanted to copy the scroll work.

I only wish I could visit the museum some day. A big part of the experience is lost with just pictures. :(

Dave

Yes! They were great pictures! Thank you for your effort. I really felt pulled back through time plus the carving work was really impressive. This would be a daunting task to model if you wanted to copy the scroll work.

I only wish I could visit the museum some day. A big part of the experience is lost with just pictures. :(

Dave

I have found a pictuture showing the Vasa Stern with the new color scheme. This shows a view worth looking at:
http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/500/thumbs/Vasa_Stern_New_Color_Scheme.jpg (http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/500/Vasa_Stern_New_Color_Scheme.jpg)

I like this picture very much. It comes from a Swedish historical magazine named Polulär Historia.

Roberth

Hello mates

For a good look at the Wasa or Vasa go to the web site of Stephens and Kenau at the Model Shipyard. There web site is www.shipyard.co.za. This is the latest look at what the Wasa looked like. The upper colors are the latest research. The lower is not correct I think they did it in lead white paint for the look. the lower should be tarred (medium brown) up to the plank shear.

Gene

For a good look at the Wasa or Vasa go to the web site of Stephens and Kenau at the Model Shipyard. There web site is www.shipyard.co.za (http://www.shipyard.co.za/). This is the latest look at what the Wasa looked like. The upper colors are the latest research. The lower is not correct I think they did it in lead white paint for the look. the lower should be tarred (medium brown) up to the plank shear.


It's a very good model, but there are several faults with it with a quick look. The longboat is completly wrong. There should be rivets in this size of model, because it's needed. The ropes and blocks around the guns don't look right. The lion forward don't look right. The white bottom as you pointed out is not right.

But i must say, that they got most sculptures in good colors. I don't think it's is going to be an easy task to do a correct model of Vasa.

Roberth

Just curious, can anybody share drawing for Wasa model ship from Mantua MA737 kit or Corel SM13.
Basically, I’m looking for rigging plans and schema (sails, standing, running) for Wasa model ship.

Did anybody have billing boats kit? To be specific - Wasa kit #490.
Any suggestions or recommendations will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Joseph
Hello did you ever get your rigging plans? Walter

It's a very good model, but there are several faults with it with a quick look. The longboat is completly wrong. There should be rivets in this size of model, because it's needed. The ropes and blocks around the guns don't look right. The lion forward don't look right. The white bottom as you pointed out is not right.

But i must say, that they got most sculptures in good colors. I don't think it's is going to be an easy task to do a correct model of Vasa.

Roberth
Roberth,I was told that the Vasa would not of carried a longboat on board,but would of towed it from the srern.Is this a fact :-k ?Walter

Roberth,I was told that the Vasa would not of carried a longboat on board,but would of towed it from the srern.Is this a fact :-k ?Walter

Well, this is something that is known. When Vasa was found, they found six smaller boats. All of them was in fragments, but the largest has been salvaged. It's 12 meter long and 3 meter wide. And it's almost intact and some of the equipment was found on the Vasa. The boat is a typical workboat, with flat bottom and klinker built. It could sail or row by up to 16 men. The boat is more worn than Vasa is. So it was probably used before Vasa was finished.

There are pictures of it in the photogallery.

http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/647/thumbs/Vasa_Museum_The_Ship_062.jpg (http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/647/Vasa_Museum_The_Ship_062.jpg)

So to answer your question, it looks like Vasa had six boats, and they could not have been towed but must have been stored on the deck.

Roberth,Thanks for the information I did not know this.And buy the way thanks for the picture.I have been trying to find one for a long time =D> with no evail. Walter

Roberth,Thanks for the information I did not know this.And buy the way thanks for the picture.I have been trying to find one for a long time with no evail. Walter

I am building an old Vasa model, and the lifeboats are totaly wrong shape. So i am building new boats that will look the real thing.

Because of this, i am going back to the Vasa museum to take new pictures. If you are intrested in a special picture, i can take them for you.

Roberth,Thankyou for your offer.Do you live near the museum?What wasa are you building?I am building Mantua Sergal's kit.The box says Sergal,but other modelers say it is Panart.I haven't gotten too far the first layer of planking is done.I have lent my rigging plans to a fellow in Sweden.He has a friend who's Wasa was hit by a car that crashed through the store front that he owns :yikes:.I should be getting them back soon.Do you know Fred Hocker from the museum?I will take a look and see what I might need for pictures.Please let me know when you plan on going to the Museum.I really appreciate your offer :old: Walter

Roberth,Thankyou for your offer.Do you live near the museum?

The Vasa museum is in central Stockholm, and i live in the southern part of the city. For me it's subway and small walk.

What wasa are you building?

It's an old model, about 20-25 years old i think. I bought it for about 20 years ago. It was old already then. It's made by an Czech Republic company named IGRA. They have stopped doing wooden ship models. I have tried find out more about the company and model, but to no avail.

Do you know Fred Hocker from the museum?

No, i have not had the chance of meeting him.

I will take a look and see what I might need for pictures.Please let me know when you plan on going to the Museum.I really appreciate your offer :old:
Walter

I will have some of my sisters boys with next two weeks. Let my sisters have some vacation from troublesome 12-14 year old boys. We are going to the Vasa museum and National maritime museum. So early next week. I, myself is going to photograph details of the rigging, and some other ships like the ship boat. I am going to scratch uilt the ship boat.

I am going to buy the drawings of Vasa from the shop. For 150 SEK, or about 14-15 Euro, you get drawings of the Vasa in scale 1:100. Will see what i get. They say it's good deal...

Roberth,I have seen this model,its pretty cool.Dry Dock Models has one in the Wasa gallery.Have you seen it?If you havent http://forum.drydockmodels.com/ :coffee: Walter