Good Morning (at least it's Sunday morning here)

Just getting ready for church and through I'd drop you a quick note. I just joined and I am in the process of building the Bluenose II. We can talk more in the future, as I also have questions for other seasoned model builders. Have a great day

Marc

Good morning fellow ship builders

I am presently building the Bluenose II (Artesania Latina) kit, but I'm having some problems with their assembly instructions and I'm also 30 years out of practice. I used to build a model a week when I was yonger. I had build the Bluenose I (not in a week though) and shortly after I had fallen in love with the Bluenose II, but as a teenager I couldn't afford the kit. After going to school and then getting married, hobbies had no space (in our appartment) or time in our family life. Now I have returned, after accidently finding a Bluenose II in a hobbie shop that was having a going out of business sale.
First, the written instructions are for the seagulls. The drawings arer fantastic, but don't help with the order of assembly. To make matters worse, the English and French instructions contradict each other. (example, english instruction install the stern after the Hull is planked, while the French instruction installs the stern first (to the false Keel). Not a good kit for beginners so stay away from it.

Now my problems. I have completed the primary hull planking, installed the Bulwarks and Transom (for those accustomed to nautical terms) and I have completed the planking of the deck (I hope a picture is available when you read this). The installation of the secondary planking indicates to install from the caprail to the keel (bottom), but I can't find any reference to caprail anywhere. If they mean the waterline, between the Bulwarks and first hull plank, then there is no instruction for planking the Bulwarks (except implied that they are planked when the Taffrails are installed. does cap rail mean the uppermost part of the bulwarks (implied in meaning cap) or does one plank from the first plank downwards and then plank the bulwarks upwards. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreceated from the seasoned ship builders. Next, it more a matter of personal prefference, but I wanted to hear other peoples oppinion. My wife and I are torn between leaving the hull natural or painting the hull the Bluenose II colour code (midnight Blue, white line and reddish copper betow the water line. what is the general oppinion when building wooden scooners. Thank you all. Have a Saillor of a day. (hopefuly Marineland doesn't see this as a violation of their slogan)..

Good morning fellow ship builders

I am presently building the Bluenose II (Artesania Latina) kit, but I'm having some problems with their assembly instructions and I'm also 30 years out of practice. I used to build a model a week when I was yonger. I had build the Bluenose I (not in a week though) and shortly after I had fallen in love with the Bluenose II, but as a teenager I couldn't afford the kit. After going to school and then getting married, hobbies had no space (in our appartment) or time in our family life. Now I have returned, after accidently finding a Bluenose II in a hobbie shop that was having a going out of business sale.
First, the written instructions are for the seagulls. The drawings arer fantastic, but don't help with the order of assembly. To make matters worse, the English and French instructions contradict each other. (example, english instruction install the stern after the Hull is planked, while the French instruction installs the stern first (to the false Keel). Not a good kit for beginners so stay away from it.

Now my problems. I have completed the primary hull planking, installed the Bulwarks and Transom (for those accustomed to nautical terms) and I have completed the planking of the deck (I hope a picture is available when you read this). The installation of the secondary planking indicates to install from the caprail to the keel (bottom), but I can't find any reference to caprail anywhere. If they mean the waterline, between the Bulwarks and first hull plank, then there is no instruction for planking the Bulwarks (except implied that they are planked when the Taffrails are installed. does cap rail mean the uppermost part of the bulwarks (implied in meaning cap) or does one plank from the first plank downwards and then plank the bulwarks upwards. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreceated from the seasoned ship builders. Next, it more a matter of personal prefference, but I wanted to hear other peoples oppinion. My wife and I are torn between leaving the hull natural or painting the hull the Bluenose II colour code (midnight Blue, white line and reddish copper betow the water line. what is the general oppinion when building wooden scooners. Thank you all. Have a Saillor of a day. (hopefuly Marineland doesn't see this as a violation of their slogan)..
Good morning Marc,

You might look here:

http://modelexpo-online.com/instructions/MS2130_Bluenose.[put in the *beep**beep**beep* extension here]

Model Expo posts their Model Shipways manuals online, and while you aren't using the same kit, you might find some good ideas in there.

Cheers,

Rob Benson

Hi Marc,

When I had to rebuild my Bluenose ll for the third time, (Cats :yikes: ), I found these articles very useful. Check them out and see what you think, I was pretty proud at how it turned out.

http://www.modelboatyard.com/bluenose2_articles.html

Regards,
Gerald :build:

Good morning Gerald

Thanks for the information. I'll have a look at it and report my progress later.

Have a great day

Marc

G'day Gerald

I have looked over those plans for the Bluenose II and they are awesome and well done. I have changed some of the things I was planning to do with the rest of the schooner after reading through these plans. But, the author says little or nothing regarding the installation of the secondary hull planking. This was a little disapointing. But, I did like his idea of using 5 inch lenghts of planks on the outside to give the hull a more realistic appearence. I'm a stickler for detail.

Thanks

Marc

Ok, I have a question for anyone.

I am building Billings Boats Bluenose II kit#600. This ship only has the first planking, no final layer. and then is to be painted... I put a coat of primer on the hull, and notice that the wood shows through. I did use a little bit of Balsalite, a filler.
Should I let the wood show through the paint job, or use Balsalite filler to finish the whole hull to make it all smooth?
Thanks for your thoughts.

Dan

Marc, I too am building the Artesania Latina version of the Bluenose II. I started the second layer of planking at the very top of the hull, just below the bulwarks and worked down. The only tricky part is when you start making multiple bends in opposite directions toward the keel, but if you are patient and work front to back, it goes pretty good. Also, I have wrestled with painting the hull, since the finished planking looks great with a few coats of polyurethane. I have yet to decide. I will paint a waterline and decide from their if I do anything above or below it. Good luck.

Hi Gary,
I also wondered long and hard about painting my Bluenose II
The Walnut looks awesome, I agree but having painted the hull it added allot of character to the ship. Have a look-see at my photos if you wish.
In my view anyway, the difference was like "Night and Day."

As allways, the individuals choice and once started, there is no going back!!

Have fun and choose carefully....

Cheers....HOF.

Hi,

It's been a few few years since I last started a wooden ship model so I was looking around for web sites and forums to get some ideas on how to make my next one really great. Being Canadian and living in Halifax, I thought I'd try the Bluenose I. After much research and gnashing of teeth, I decided to buy the Model Shipways version from Model Expo. (Thanks to a much better exchange rate recently, it was less expensive to order through the US than through Canadian sites, even with the shipping.) I went with their special that included a mounting board, pedestals, some tools and paints. I also ordered some extra tools I would need along the line since it was a fixed shipping rate. After placing the order I had to travel to Norfolk, Va for work. When I got back last Friday, a big present was waiting for me!

I looked over the contents, studied the drawings and today glued up the keel. So far I am very impressed with this kit. Everything looks to be in great shape. I have read about others having problems with a warped keel. Mine is perfectly straight.

Next step is the bulkheads. We'll see if they fit perfectly, or if I need to do some tweaking.

David

Great news I have an article on the Bluenose from readers digest and would be happy to send you a copy as I am working on one frome scientific as well. It is a real good look at how the Bluenose came to be one spectacular vessell. Just eamil me back and we will swap some info. Have fun with it, she was an incredible vessel. Poopdeck

Having lurked here for a while, I thought that I should post my progress on the Artesania Latina Bluenose kit. I do not get much time to work on it so it this has fallen into the category of a very long running project.

- Grant

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/GrantGoodale/Other_Builds/Bluenose_1.jpg

As an first hander at the Blue nose I have<nt had much time to indulge due to the dreade honeydoo list but I have the same model, by Scientific, the plans are there but very vague in a lot of areas and I have to research and wing it from time to time ,It was an e-bay deal and I will say that at least it was all there, Good Luck,Poopdeck

Hi,
Many years ago (about 30) I built a couple of plastic models (Constitution was one of them) then tried a couple of wooden kits. The first was a solid hull sloop (I can't remember the name) and the second was a ship called Lila Dan (from Billings I think). I still have the Lila Dan but it is in need of some repair.

I just decided to try my hand at the Model Shipways Bluenose kit.

I have gotten all of the frames installed and was working on the transom.
Has anyone run into a problem with shaping the transom? If I use the patterns supplied for the quarter frames, the top of the transom seems to end up WAY too high ....by maybe an 1/8th inch.
I ended up doing what looked and seemed right but it would be nice to be able to figure out what IS right before I move on.

Also.....to get the hull planks to lay properly against the frames, I find myself doing a lot more shimming and trimming of the frames than I would have expected.

BTW
Does anyone one know if Model Shipways is the same company that was located at the end of a street in Bogota, New Jersey those many years ago? I used to visit this shop when I serviced some equipment at a bank about a block away.

I guess I have a funny advantage. If I want to look at the Blue Nose 2 I just drive over to Halifax and walkaround her if she is in. Maybe I should take Photo's and post them.

Bruce

Bruce,
Absolutely, please do!
I visited Mystic, Conn a couple years ago and got some photos, but that was before I was into modeling. Then my photos were more generic shots of the profile of ships, the view from the bow, etc. NOW my photos would be completely different, rigging details, deck planking, etc; photos that would bore the pants off a non-modeler. But I wish I had taken them while I was there.

Hello Hob ~~~ I finished Bluenose II and have the picture in my album. This might help some of you: A thin white line is needed between the red and the black on the hull. My suggestion for this to get a nice even line, I used white vinyl striping tape bought at a hobby store used on model cars. They come in black and other colors. BRINY...Bernie[url=http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/500/My_Bluenose_II_Photo.jpg][img]url=http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/500/My_Bluenose_II_bow.jpg

William / I am also building a Scientific Bluenose and starting sails /
I replaced the metal deadeyes with wood and did the same for the blocks. Are your sails an ugly tan and stiff ? / I got weaver's natural at Walmart, same fabric but light and soft and used origs for pattern. Got a great way for working on parts and sail -heavy poster board with 2-3 coats of spray mount, let dry 1-2 hrs / is tacky and holds wood and fabric in place while cutting. demonjar
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Yes, you read that correctly....Bluenose IV.

This might be of interest to people following the Bluenose saga. They are in the process of building the Bluenose IV (Bluenose III was already used apparenetly). It is being spearheaded by descendants of William J. Roue.

Should be interesting to modelers to follow along as they build her.

The Bluenose IV Website (official website): http://www.schoonerbluenose.ca

- At the time of this message they had conceptual drawings posted on the website.

- Modeling plans expected to be availabe either late this year or early next (I will keep anyone that's interested updated on their availability. Just pm me.).


Snyder's Shipyard (selected to build the Bluenose IV): http://www.joelro.com/snyders07/index.html

:( / download the photo file / ready to tear down and start for scratch / my Scienitic Bluenose looks nothing like the real thing / demonjar

Interesting info, Winston. Sounds like a good candidate for some MSB Journal articles once they get building. Any idea why they're building another, when Bluenose II is still sailing?
Anyway, thanks for the link to the site. I'll have to keep that in mind for when I start building Bluenose. I just picked up my third kit (MS Sultana) from my local hobby shop, and found out that the shop will have a booth at the Chicago Hobby Expo in a few weeks, and will be offering merchandise at a discount. They'll bring an MS Bluenose kit to the show for me. Since I already was planning on building her to learn how to plank, I figure I should take advantage of the discount and get her now. But NO MORE until I finish Sultana...I will NOT begin hoarding kits that I won't ever get around to building...I mean it....I hope. :=)

Hi Ben,

Why? That's a good question Ben. I've read cases for and against in the news. Myself, I wonder why they dont' take the money and use it to refurbish the current Bluenose. That being said, it might be less expensive to build a new one. :-)

I have been a member of this site for a while now and yet to make any posts
Now is the time to get started
I have the basic hull built and the second planking and the deck completed
I have noticed errors in the project as this was started some years ago :(
I have ordered some materials that were listed in John H. Earl articles
I have some photo's of the project which can be seen at the link listed below

http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/home

The waterways and the scuppers need to be corrected and I was looking at the deck planking , maybe I can redo it with material that is closer to scale
The goal is to get the project on the move again
I was almost tempted to get another kit and start again but finishing this model before moving on would be greatly satisfying

Today has been a good day
I have created a photo Album - Bluenose 11

What I am working on is , I have cut the scuppers to high and I would like to fill the holes and redo them

First I would remove the the stanchions as I will also redo those

I could fill the holes with wood filler ,
but what I am thinking of doing is cutting the hull planking out in sections where the holes are , re-planking with the thin planks and using would filler inside
I want to patch the holes but not have the spots show on the finished model
so I am wondering maybe I shouldn't use wood filler

Any Ideas or suggestions would be welcome

http://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/885/P1000008_Medium_.JPGhttp://shipmodeling.net/photopost/data/885/P1000010_Medium_.jpg

Hi there. Although, i have not yet started my Bluenose II (A/L), it is just sitting on my shelf waiting to be done. Soon after I have finished my current project it will be started. Being a Canuck, it is the one ship I "have" to build. Good luck on your build - sounds like it is coming along.